/u/orze on Joust Odds
joust as a mechanic will flop unless the base minion is acceptable without winning the joustit needs to win ties
View Article/u/Panda413 on Joust Odds
The data would be a little easier to digest if the decks were sorted by average card cost ascending.
View Article/u/kmmk on Joust Odds
This 32% with face hunter mirror is pretty interesting... when you only have 3 different mana costs in the deck, both player will often draw the same. Also any 1 cost minion simply can't win unless...
View Article/u/cheesecake_llama on Joust Odds
These simulations are neat, but it's really not too hard to compute the true probabilities. Probably a bit easier, even.
View Article/u/TheDMWarrior on Joust Odds
This is really cool, thanks for that, I'll keep this in mind (Although I think Master Jouster is the only relevant Jouster card right now, but that's besides the point I suppose). Thanks for your work...
View Article/u/Jakabov on Joust Odds
I genuinely don't think any of these cards will be playable except possibly for the Gadgetzan one since it isn't a disastrous outcome to lose the joust on it, being a 1-drop, and is a reasonable...
View Article/u/kemitche on Joust Odds
As mentioned above, a tie is a loss. The defender has the advantage.
View Article/u/6Jarv9 on Joust Odds
Oh wait I'm stupid. If the minion's cost is the same, you don't win the Joust, that's why it's under 50%. My bad.
View Article/u/Tafts_Bathtub on Joust Odds
It's a pretty big deal that you lose ties, especially in face hunter, where there are only 3 different possible costs for minions in the deck.
View Article/u/Rexxdraconem on Joust Odds
Is there a more up to date thread like this? I am theorycrafting an upgrade to one of my decks where I am debating on using a couple joust cards or equivalent non-joust cards. The deck is a heavy...
View Article/u/Origence on Joust Odds
Joust will shine specially in modified Handlock builds with Frost Giants for example. And new Giant-based decks. Something like Inspire/Joust/Giants Control Paladin can be a thing
View Article/u/NorbG on Joust Odds
just ran it and used this list:oil oil 34.715200000000003oil faceHunter 88.2423oil midHHunter 61.112200000000009oil zoo 66.959699999999998oil patron 58.876300000000001oil handlock 31.407200000000003oil...
View Article/u/DoctorJanus on Joust Odds
I really want to see a legit Healadin with the new Tuskarr that jousts for 7 health. If you drop the Shieldbots and keep the Chows (or the other way around) plus swapping out the Aldors for Humility, I...
View Article/u/Bimbarian on Joust Odds
There's a slight wrinkle to the stats, in that when you start a game, you mulligan for low cost cards. So, when the time comes to play a joust card, especially a 5+ mana card, more of the low cost...
View Article/u/HelloLeeroy on Joust Odds
I don't know if you're interested in doing this again but is there any way you could add Freeze and Giants Mage into the mix?
View Article/u/Wizzpig25 on Joust Odds
As expected: joust could work in ctrl warrior or handlock, but I'm not sure that you would want any of them in those decks anyway. The main contender is probably heal bot jouster in handlock, but you...
View Article/u/Seeker8833 on Joust Odds
Master Jouster in Ramp Druid is going to be nuts. Especially if you can get an early Wild Growth/Innervate/Darnassus Aspirant out.
View Article/u/Chad___Sexington on Joust Odds
Could you update with an overall average for each deck archetype?
View Article/u/Blazeyes on Joust Odds
Maybe the new joust cards can be played in a Malygos shaman deck, since they run mostly spells? Now that they have a new card draw spell, they could remove most of their low mana cost minions.
View Article/u/HaphStealth on Joust Odds
I guess the way it would play out is a tiny bit better since you throw your late drops and keep early drops at mulligan? Either way I look forward to trying a few joust cards (such as Tuskarr Jouster)...
View Article/u/bashtonroar on Joust Odds
So, to clarify for myself, you're automatically disadvantaged in any 30 card mirror because you lose tied jousts? Which is why each mirrored column/row has a win percent <50?
View Article/u/nosklo on Joust Odds
How are the mirror matches not all 50 50?When you have a tie you lose.
View Article/u/Ermel668 on Joust Odds
When you play a joust card then your revealed card must have a higher mana cost to trigger Joust. If the mana cost is the same nothing happens.
View Article/u/swiftreddit on Joust Odds
This looks odd... Why don't the exact same decks have a 50% chance against each other?
View Article/u/Arse2Mouse on Joust Odds
I feel like the thing (understandably) not accounted for is when you play the joust. With a card like Master Jouster, there's a good chance you've got a couple of your early drops out of the way. Same...
View Article/u/pblankfield on Joust Odds
The thing is you're comparing current decks which haven't been rebuilt in order to increase the odds. For example you can substitute Owl with a Spellbreaker which would have a big impact as the 4 mana...
View Article/u/fezvez on Joust Odds
I agreed with you at first, but I realized that there are good reasons against it :too much info like you saidit can take too long! People bitch again and again about animation length already
View Article/u/Kamina80 on Joust Odds
That is lower than I expected, even for the really heavy archetypes. Arg, I don't think these cards will work out. Too unreliable. You're right, tie = no buff is a killer.
View Article/u/ravenight on Joust Odds
Joust is probably not going to be super-competitive outside a few overpowered examples (assuming there are more), but one interesting thing that could come from it is a deck archetype that focuses on...
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The logic is correct, I was looking for how reliable the random functon itself is. Looked it up and apparently it was fixed once so it should be fine.
View Article/u/dakraiz on Joust Odds
Although the decks were you need the heal more (aggro decks) will yield good odds to win the joust versus control decks where the body might be prioritized more.
View Article/u/JimboHS on Joust Odds
The point about slots is a bit misleading -- if you would run Guardian of Kings in the 7 slot, just drop it and put Tuskarr in. Either you get it out on T5, or you get a T7 5/5 + guy + likely heal.
View Article/u/showmethetds on Joust Odds
Perhaps you're right that they can be played side by side, but I feel there's already some crowding at the 5 mana slot for Mid pally, with Loatheb and/or Harrison, Healbot, and Sludge. You're correct...
View Article/u/wallysmith127 on Joust Odds
I don't disagree, but I think trying to evaluate Joust in a (what will be) stale meta is also premature. Sure, at first people are going to try and incorporate new cards into already successful...
View Article/u/Hoarth on Joust Odds
Keep in mind that you dont necessarily need the heal against decks that will be slower than you, which makes the card amazing. the decks that are faster than you, you will win more often than not. Also...
View Article/u/double_shadow on Joust Odds
Oh yes thank you. I was feeling a bit down on the mechanic, because none of the %s seemed high enough to risk it with the currently spoiled cards. But Ramp Druid makes it look a lot nicer...
View Article/u/Ellikichi on Joust Odds
Thanks! ^_^ I'm much more confident about running them in Ramp Druid now, at least more than in anything else.
View Article/u/phuckswag on Joust Odds
The previous person changed their original comment. Before they had listed Druid of the claw and robo cub not panther and huffer
View Article/u/Jabari11 on Joust Odds
Also, stuff is just so sticky now that a 1-for-1 spell isn't necessarily going to clear the body. Frostbolting a Shredder still leaves a body on the board.
View Article/u/thebigsplat on Joust Odds
what if you played spells? E.g. Frostbolt for their 2 drop, flame cannon for 3 and so on.
View Article/u/Mezmorizor on Joust Odds
Why would you run holy light over seal of light? You're trading 2 health for removal/an extra 2 damage on your weapon, and that's a worthwhile trade imo.
View Article/u/spoinkaroo on Joust Odds
Both players do this. So maybe a slight advantage for you if you are a control deck.
View Article/u/HobKing on Joust Odds
Oh wow, thought it was just a random card. Guess this makes more sense with the term "joust." Thanks!
View Article/u/clamburgers_ on Joust Odds
I'd agree in a control vs control matchup. Where I really see these types of cards shining is in midrange/control vs aggro. It seems like a tool intended to help punish hyper aggressive decks that...
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